Carrie_Rethlefsen ([info]sarah_jacobson) wrote,
@ 2005-05-03 10:01:00
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I just got home from wearing the shirts in front of the school. Everything went really well. I am dismissed from school for the day. Let's see what happens from here!

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I'm proud of you
(Anonymous)
2005-05-03 04:03 pm UTC (link)
Well-behaved women rarely make history - Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

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Words of Encouragement From a Supporter in Georgia
[info]andrewalker08
2005-05-03 04:36 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad to see some activist students standing up for their beliefs on our campuses across the nation.

I really would like to support you by buying one of the "I Support Your Vagina" t-shirts for boys.

Let me know how I can.

Andre Walker
andrewalker@hotmail.com
College Park, Georgia

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Way to fight the power!
(Anonymous)
2005-05-03 04:40 pm UTC (link)
I've been following this with great interest and all I have to say, in reference to the

Star Tribune's story (http://startribune.com/stories/1592/5382316.html), is that you are likely to have much, much more than a paltry fifteen minutes of fame. Keep it up--what a bright future you have!

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(Anonymous)
2005-05-03 07:46 pm UTC (link)
Brava, Carrie! I cannot understand why a word naming a part of a woman's body is offensive, and your stand has brought to light violence against Women. Good luck in your studies!
Leigh
Dayton, MN

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(Anonymous)
2005-05-03 08:09 pm UTC (link)
You have been brave to go through this whole situation. Bravery and confidence will get you everywhere you want in this world. I look forward to hearing great things about you in the next few years. I remember being at a conference on bullying that all district employees where expected to be at prior to school starting this year and the speaker was talking about the way society chooses words. There are a million different words for vagina and penis, yet only one word for neck or elbow. We all start out in life with our parents automatically calling our reproductive organs different names- pee pee, coochie, etc, that there is already a stigma against our bodies. We SHOULD love our bodies and we should be taught that no part is better than others - the fact that vagina is a naughty word is incredibly absurd. Again its no wonder why every 3 minutes a woman in the united states is raped and places like the Women's Resource Center have to exist - we do not respect our bodies - vaginas are treated like naughty words - penises are given the identity of a thug and life continues on in a world of abuse, ignorance, rape and being sent home for a girl that knew her moral obligation to our community and was brave enough to make a stand.

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(Anonymous)
2005-05-03 08:10 pm UTC (link)
You have been brave to go through this whole situation. Bravery and confidence will get you everywhere you want in this world. I look forward to hearing great things about you in the next few years. I remember being at a conference on bullying that all district employees were expected to be at prior to school starting this year and the speaker was talking about the way society chooses words. There are a million different words for vagina and penis, yet only one word for neck or elbow. We all start out in life with our parents automatically calling our reproductive organs different names- pee pee, coochie, etc, that there is already a stigma against our bodies. We SHOULD love our bodies and we should be taught that no part is better than others - the fact that vagina is a naughty word is incredibly absurd. Again its no wonder why every 3 minutes a woman in the united states is raped and places like the Women's Resource Center have to exist - we do not respect our bodies - vaginas are treated like naughty words - penises are given the identity of a thug and life continues on in a world of abuse, ignorance, rape and being sent home for a girl that knew her moral obligation to our community and was brave enough to make a stand.

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I'll make a bet with all of you -
(Anonymous)
2005-05-03 09:47 pm UTC (link)
Not all women who go to Winona Senior High have guns, but you can bet they all have vaginas. It's too bad this is an issue at all. The previous message is right! I am a staff member that was at that talk about bullying and Carrie making a stand should not even be an issue in our schools - she wouldn't be making a stand if vagina wasn't considered a "naughty" word. The district should remember why they brought in that speaker - and reward Carrie for creating a world that we ought to have.

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[info]lonestaryella03
2005-05-03 10:02 pm UTC (link)
Lol, way to take a stand. Enjoy your day at home...

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Great work!
(Anonymous)
2005-05-03 10:23 pm UTC (link)
Carrie, I applaud your courage and gonads. I had to take on the principal and board my senior year of high school relating to an issue of free speech. I graduated top of my class and wanted to give my speech on what I wanted to talk about. I was 'censored' by the school. I gave it on individuality and the importance of staying true to yourself. Wish someone had taped it because I no longer remember it all, but I do want to say that please stay true to yourself. America is in the toilet because so many young people that were right about their views of the world and courageous enough to stand by truth, later as they got older started to compromise and sell themselves...and everyone else short. We live in world with epidemic violence against females and it is getting worse, not better. Remember this day, Carrie, and always believe in yourself and the courage within you no matter how many obstacles you will face in your future. This world is what we make it, and you younger generations can change the course of history if stand tall and gather in large numbers. It all starts with one voice. Thank you Carrie, for standing tall.

There have been several discussions on blogs all over cyberspace regarding your efforts. Today I saw several comments here:

http://blogforamerica.com/archives/006297.comments.html

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Can't add much
(Anonymous)
2005-05-04 04:53 am UTC (link)
but one more voice won't hurt. I, too, am proud of you. You stuck to your guns, you showed your committment, and you showed you can take the heat.

Good for you!

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Cummings
(Anonymous)
2005-05-04 05:21 am UTC (link)
To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best night
and day to make you like everybody else means to fight the hardest
battle any human being can fight and never stop fighting.

-- E. E. Cummings

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[info]techieguru
2005-05-04 06:31 am UTC (link)
Thank you for doing this. Seriously.

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Keep the faith!
(Anonymous)
2005-05-04 07:29 am UTC (link)
I am so proud of all of you!!! I did similar things in school 40 years ago and I have never regreted it... there is no greater feeling than to stand up for what you believe... I have done it all my life. Stay informed and stay involved, your Country needs you!!

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~ YOU GO GIRL ~
(Anonymous)
2005-05-04 11:37 pm UTC (link)
Carrie ~

Hey there. My name is Seal and I am from Oregon. I was made aware of your situation by a very good friend of mine who lives not to far from Winona.

I have to tell you how proud I am of you! I am proud you are standing up for your rights, I am proud for you standing up for what you believe to be a just cause. There are so many people Carrie that are followers ---- it is people like YOU that turn out to be our leaders.

Don't give up! You are picking your battles wisely. Good luck and I will be reading about you I know. Take care, stay safe, God speed.

Seal


Image

 (http://www.freehomepages.com/touchofseal/index.html)

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you go girl
(Anonymous)
2005-05-05 05:30 am UTC (link)
what is it you [heart] about your vagina? what would if you had seen a young man wear a "i [heart] my penis" shirt before you had ever even conceived of your shirt or seen the vagina monologues? i bet you wouldn't be in support of his free speech. you wouldn't support his gender equality. you would be deeply offended and accuse him of sexism or schovanism or some other equally hateful crime. you're not asking for equality. you're asking for superiority. wake up to your hypocrisy.
as women, we have made great strides over the last half a century, and i pray you don't muck it all up with jr high idiocy.

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Re: you go girl
[info]h_nelson
2005-05-05 04:25 pm UTC (link)
I think if she (or anyone) saw such a shirt on a boy, they would ask why they were wearing it. Then going on the reason and validity of his action, she would then make a decision as to what she thought about it. That's what smart people do. They also don't make blanket assumptions or accusations.
I can't think of a single time where Carrie's position has been one of superiority. As I saw it, it was about raising awareness of women's issues, and expressing her right to make a political statement. That doesn't sound like idiocy.
The great strides, that women have accomplished, were made by those who were willing to challenge existing rules and mindsets. In a time where the women's movement is seeking to remain relevant to the younger generation, it is a very good thing to see how one of the younger generation is taking their own initiative. Your worries about her mucking it up are unfounded.

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Re: you go girl
[info]mystic_squirrel
2005-05-19 06:58 am UTC (link)
Actually, I see it as a desperate ploy for attention, as is evident by the fact that she never really got around to actually discussing any "women's issues" (which is a myth, seeing as there are no gender-specific issues), and even on her "information fliers" they handed out, by far most of the page was simple, declarative sentences about Carrie, not the issue. A whole lot of 'I's, and 'Me's. Frankly, there are few moments when I am more proud to have a penis.

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[info]flaming_loofah
2005-05-05 02:34 pm UTC (link)
Can you enlighted us more on your cause instead of your journey?

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[info]mystic_squirrel
2005-05-19 06:56 am UTC (link)
Whats that? Crickets chirping? Alright. . . Hmm. . .

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(Anonymous)
2005-05-08 02:26 pm UTC (link)
I've heard of a lot of the things you've been doing to stand up for women's rights. Although many people are against you. I think what your doing is good. Keep wearing those shirts. Stand up! ... and stay strong!

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The Carrie Song
(Anonymous)
2005-05-09 08:58 pm UTC (link)
Just thought it'd be good for you to know that somebody wrote a cute song parody about what happened. I think it's cool that what happened is inspiring people in so many ways. The song is here http://amiright.com/parody/2000s/gwenstefani12.shtml

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(Anonymous)
2005-05-12 04:54 pm UTC (link)
I just read about your endeavors. Don't stop! Thanks for being brave to you and all of your friends.

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Any more
(Anonymous)
2005-05-15 07:54 pm UTC (link)
updates?

-B

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Re: Any more
[info]flaming_loofah
2005-05-31 02:48 am UTC (link)
Highly unlikely. Apparently after turning down all the administration's offers to set up an information booth IN SCHOOL addressing the "issues" she backed, she merely wore the shirt for one day, got suspended, and has backed down from all she has done to get her 15 minutes of fame. If I am wrong, then somebody please let me know Carrie's recent edneavors into creating a gender equal society and the education of America's youth.

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Re: Any more
[info]ihatepavel
2005-06-09 09:18 am UTC (link)
I'm curious, why does someone standing up for something bother you so much that you have to assign motives to that person and insult them? I do not mean to be inflammatory, I am sincerely asking. I would like to know the other side of this issue, as to me it seems so unimpeachable.

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Re: Any more
[info]flaming_loofah
2005-06-11 03:09 pm UTC (link)
Because I know her. Since I live in her town, I know both sides of the issue. School administration has made several attempts to let carrie set up a booth at school enlightening people about women's issues. I've even heard that there have been proposals of after-school groups. All of these proposals she has turned down by carrie. To me this brings to the table the fact that perhaps her initial motives weren't to enlighten, but to gain attention.

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Re: Any more
[info]ihatepavel
2005-06-11 03:10 pm UTC (link)
Was it a totally unconditional offer, or was it something like: "Carrie, if you back down, we will let you set up a booth/after school program..." etc.

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Re: Any more
[info]flaming_loofah
2005-06-11 03:16 pm UTC (link)
It was more like a "Carrie, we understand what you are standing up for but think you are going about it in the wrong way. The shirts are inappropriate for school, you know that. There is a time and a place for everything. Even though we are lacking funds, let us set up a booth for you at school if you care to address your issue."

Keep in mind that I am good friends with the other girl (Emily) who started this venture with Carrie. She was extremely hurt when Carrie shut out this offer.

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Re: Any more
[info]ihatepavel
2005-06-11 10:54 pm UTC (link)
So basically, they are still asking her to agree that the shirts are "inappropriate" for school. I guess that's where I, and assumedly Carrie, disagree with the school and that's why she didn't take them up on the offer.

To me there is nothing on that shirt that is inappropriate for a school.

Regarding your kind of defense against any ad hominem attack that may arise on you from me: I don't want to make it out like I'm attacking you. I just disagree with you.

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Re: Any more
[info]flaming_loofah
2005-06-13 02:04 am UTC (link)
Yes, I am quite acquainted with my falacies as well, and I still think there is a time and a place for everything. Democracy is compramise.

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She's not brave...
(Anonymous)
2005-05-31 10:17 pm UTC (link)
...she just wants attention. She thinks it is fashionable to wear a shirt that says "I love my pussy" because she saw it on MTV or Entertainment Tonight (quality TV...which is an oxymoron to begin with). This girl couldn't hold a debate regarding any real issues if her life depended on it.

As soon as you open your mind, question all the propaganda that has been fed to you (that you swallow so willfully), and start to think for yourself...you may realize what a total wacko you stopped yourself from becoming...that is, if you stop the nonsense. My guess is that you won't look back on your wasted youth until you are in your late thirties...and, by then, you will have wasted more than your youth believing such hate-filled drivel that racist and sexist bigots like Eve Ensler, Gloria Steinem, Gloria Allred and the like brainwash you with on a daily basis.

And, yes, I am posting anonymously...I don't have the time to get a username and password. I am not a privileged, liberal kid who lives life off of other people's money. I need to earn a living. I respect the dollar and those who work hard to earn a buck, before giving $$ away through taxes to countless, worthless programs that are not measured for effectiveness and only put into place by politicians more concerned about re-election than their real, law abiding constituents.

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Re: She's not brave...
[info]ihatepavel
2005-06-09 09:20 am UTC (link)
Just because you do not "have time" to get a username--despite the fact that you evidently have time to compose this--does not mean you have an excuse to not sign your name. I'm sorry, but people who post anonymous and argumentative comments are just so pathetic.

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Re: She's not brave...
[info]rpeate
2005-06-10 01:37 pm UTC (link)
That's not what her shirts say.

She's been holding real debate for months now.

I see a lot of hate and ignorance in your comments, that's for sure.

I earn a living by working hard, and I'm a liberal. Do you respect me?

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Re: She's not brave...
[info]flaming_loofah
2005-06-11 03:13 pm UTC (link)
Just a question. Do you live in Winona? Ever wonder why Carrie never posts on her beloved livejournal if she's so dedicated to her cause? She started this so we would do exactly what we are doing: arguing about her. Giving her attention. Hm...let's see. It's been how long since you've heard even a whisper of her in the news? Or her "debates"? About what?

I live in Winona. I know and am very good friends with Emily Nixon. I know BOTH sides of the issue. Emily disbanded from Carrie after the numerous attempts were made to give her the time to educate others about her issue were turned down.

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Re: She's not brave...
[info]rpeate
2005-06-11 03:16 pm UTC (link)
No, I do not live in Winona.

Thanks for the briefing.

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Re: She's not brave...
[info]kristel
2005-06-14 06:27 pm UTC (link)
do you even this this is carries journal? That is the real question.

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Re: She's not brave...
[info]flaming_loofah
2005-06-18 07:09 am UTC (link)
Yes it is. She just created it to gaze at us talking about her. She was pretty much done with it the day she led the dreaded brigade with her t-shirts. Don't expect any updates. I haven't even seen her around town.

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[info]habibi_xina
2005-06-09 11:21 pm UTC (link)
I think that it's fantastic that you're taking such a brave stand...

However, I feel pathetic posting this question here, but...I ordered one of your shirts from you at the end of April -- has mine been sent yet?

Merci...

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[info]rpeate
2005-06-10 01:34 pm UTC (link)
Good for you. I support your cause. And your vagina! :)

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Well...
[info]mylie310
2005-06-13 11:58 am UTC (link)
Well if she is doing this for attention, it will backfire on her and she will crash after her 15 min. of fame. But if her cause is genuine then we should all respect her decision, and her bravery in doing so. I don't live in her town and I can't tell you why she was motivated to do this cause, but maybe just maybe it is genuine... and this girl is standing up for what she believes in, in her own way.

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